SiFu Carroll’s professionalism and attention to detail is unmatched in the world of security and tactics. I have worked security around the world, both private sector and military, and I have no reservations recommending SiFu Dustan Carroll.
(1) Hello SiFu Carroll;
(2) Hello Dustan….
I thought I would let the dust settle before I would post on your site, as I think I have a little insight to shed from an old life past.
In the summer years of ’76, ’77 I lived in Norfolk, VA. In those years as a youth and into college I trained in traditional western boxing. During those summers I had a friend who trained in Wing Chun in Virginia Beach, he had trained in other arts before Wing Chun and was an incredible boxer. Many a summers nights I would accompany him to Virginia Beach to a small gym located in a strip mall. The instructor (SiFu in your world) was Duncan Leung. We would spar often in his gym with his students and himself. At that time there was not a great number of students and only one who was at an advanced level. We as boxers could sense those that were “getting it” and had an innate sense of Wing Chun. I couldn’t tell you what that was in terms of Wing Chun terminology or form or whatever, but it was obvious to us during those sparing sessions.
I happened to read about your Wing Chun boxing school and was curious to see after 35 years removed if the art survived in the form that I experienced it. It is interesting after all those years, after just a few minutes one on one with you I saw that “connection” that I had seen a long time ago. There is something about true Wing Chun that is balance that is rooted from the ground up, the angles are always inside. It is hard for someone that is not trained in the terminology or movements of Wing Chun to explain it. I can’t. I know that I understand the feeling of trying to pick my way around it, through it, etc.
I don’t know much about the issue of lineage, teachers, methods of Wing Chun over the 35 years, nor do I really care, I leave that to those who follow those things. But I can say this your mastery of Wing Chun is as close to Duncan as I have seen. He was a leaner, slighter built man than you. He had no up front intimidation factor – and the tendency was to try to crowd him in because of his size, a mistake, but that is really the only difference. That frustrating sense of balance, the angles that are cut off straight ahead, always being forced to go outside the lines you want to attack on, etc, its all the same and exists at the level that it is a 6th sense and not an exercise.
I hope your students realize what a rare and unique opportunity they have.
3 July 2014
This is the one guy I would take to battle with me and I’m sure he feels the same about me. He is a Sifu Wing Chun (Master) here in Alabama. He is the closest I have seen to the actually Ip Man (Bruce Lee’s teacher). Even the Police won’t try to physically arrest him if they had to. They say they would call him and ask him to turn himself in. He is quick, powerful, and very skilled in Wing Chun.
When I first took his class I was completely amazed at his teaching methods and his well disciplined studehts. I have about 52 years of martial arts training, several black belts, including a 6th dan in Shorin Kung Fu, 5th dan in Tang Soo Karate, and mastered other martial arts disciplines. I have been inducted into two martial arts hall of fame, and received my PH.D. in martial arts philosophy. Yet while taking his Wing Chun classes I felt like a rookie. The fluidity of which Sifu Carroll taught his students was amazingly graceful. I thought I was watching Ip Man. He is the closest I have seen in any fighter to legendary icon who was Bruce Lee’s Sifu. Sifu Carroll is under the lineage of Duncan Leung, Dave Meadows, and others who were directly under the lineage of Ip Man. I learned a lot from Sifu Carroll. He taught with so much passion and professionalism. He is very direct and his methods make the art easy to do. He is a very demanding Sifu and it is needed. I could not believe how strong he was for his size. His students were amazingly skilled especially the smaller ones. I am truly impressed with his methods and his teachings.
As a 20 year veteran in law enforcement and a police defensive tactics instructor, I understand the importance of being prepared for acts of violence against yourself and others. I regularly conduct community talks about reducing one’s chances of becoming a victim of a crime and preparing oneself for a physical altercation. At the end of each talk I strongly encourage everyone to take the next step in protecting themselves and others by being involved in martial arts. I also caution them to be careful in their search for training. Not all martial art schools are there for the student. Some use the uniforms, names of the school (not the art), or insignias to lure people in to simply take their money. If they promote learning the art in a very short time frame, you may want to look elsewhere. This is not the case with SiFu Carroll. In my own search for taking my training to the next level, I came across Wing Chun and SiFu Carroll. I was offered a chance take part in one of the training days for free. The training day was for free; but, the lesson wasn’t. I realized that even with all I knew, I was not as prepared as I thought. I have been with SiFu Carroll almost 3 years now. He doesn’t hold back and challenges his students with no-nonsense / real world training because he really wants us to be able to protect ourselves. I am grateful for the opportunity to learn all that he has to offer. I highly recommend SiFu Carroll at White Rose Wing Chun.
(1) I have a total of 10 yrs in the military and spent most of it at Ft. Bragg NC which is the home of Airborne and the Special Forces community. Now I am currently a Sheriff’s Deputy who has worked in the Jail, courthouse security, and patrol. I have been around some very good martial arts instructors and some of the worst. I decided to contact SiFu Carroll one day and after the conversation, I drove down to train with him on a weekend. After training with SiFu Carroll, the drive home was a quiet one due to looking back and rethinking the events of Saturday. SiFu Carroll held nothing back while training and laid it all out in front of me. I was so impressed with Sifu Carroll’s knowledge of his art that I invited him to come to Illinois to give others a chance to learn Wing Chun.
(When he did come) The individuals in attendance were from very diverse backgrounds. There were Police Officers, Military Operators, regular Military, Prison guards, students and many had previous extensive experience in martial arts and tactic, from MMA to masters of traditional arts. After the first three hours everyone in attendance agreed that If you really want to learn an art that that will protect you …and you want someone that knows how to teach it, you want SIFU DUSTAN CARROLL. They say a true martial artist shouldn’t only know his martial art, but be able to use it. With this being said, Sifu Carroll is the real deal and knows his art inside and out. We only have one question for ya Sifu. When ya coming back?
Whitesides Sherriff ‘s Department
(2) I have trained in several different Wing Chun Schools and have seen both good and bad , teachers that want to hold you back, want more money, don’t know what they are teaching, don’t know the whole system, and so on. I know Wing Chun is like any other art and you are always learning until the day you stop breathing. I have been training at the White Rose Wing Chun School under SiFu Carroll from 2010 til present. At this point in my training, I can state, without a shadow of a doubt, SiFu Carroll shows his students everything and holding nothing back from them while he teaches. Everything he has taught me follows what he calls ” the formula” in his process of imparting the art to his students. In the beginning, I was never able to notice all of the small nuances and minute details presented but I have come to realize the importance of them just recently. They were shown every time I trained but I was searching for larger more “secretive” things. Me finally noticing the details and finer movements of SiFu Carroll is explained by the phrase he uses, “Time in the Art.” SiFu Carroll mentioned this to me at the very beginning of my training. I really didn’t understand exactly what he meant until recently. In the beginning a new student doesn’t notice all of the movements the teacher is doing. But over time, the student starts to see more and more of the little movements hidden in plain sight for to see. Just like a pair of binoculars. When you first look through them it is blurry until you focus the lenses. Over time Wing Chun training not only sharpens your mind and body, but also your eyes. You begin to see things differently. Your perspective in everything changes. I know that mine has.
Thank you SiFu Carroll for allowing me the privilege to train under you.
As a retired Army Veteran with combat tours in Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan, I’ve experience all forms of combat, to include close quarter. While serving with the 82nd Airborne Division, I was fortunate to train at a Brian Edwards Wing Chun school that is highly regarded in the Spec Ops Community. Upon relocating to Alabama, I was impressed to find the same level of training with SiFu Carroll, as I had undergone at Fort Bragg nearly 13 years ago. SiFu Carroll teaches old school Wing Chun which is truly effective without the fluff. The Yellow Pages are full of commercialized martial art schools, but if you’re looking to develop skills that will enable you to protect yourself and your loved ones, I highly recommend training with SiFu Carroll.
He head butted me one night and broke my nose… it was crazy…I am still trying to figure out how I didn’t go down from that. I mean I was seeing stars it was the hardest blow I had ever taken. I’m not going lie, it took me a second to understand what just happened…..But you see after that, he put a dvd cord around my neck and that was when I went crazy because it was life or death. It was scary but because of what I learned from you, even years later…I was able to hurt him enough to get away and call the cops. I remember standing there with blood all over my face and all I could think of was you and what I had learned in your class… With what you taught me, I fought back and got away. I still swear to this day it was taking your class and learning some Wing Chun from you that made me not afraid and gave me the will and power to fight back. I know the Wing Chun I learned from you saved my life because he was trying to strangle me…but I just kept thinking there is no way he is going to do this to me…and somehow I got the upper hand, fought hard and used what I learned from you to get away…..THANK YOU!
Please put this on your web site because I want to see more women in self defense classes… if I have a little girl I swear she will be learning how to fight. If it’s a boy he will to but it’s so much more important for a girl to know how to save their lives, because creeps go after what they think is the weaker person. It’s so easy for a woman going up against a crazy guy like that to think “What’s the point in fighting back?” He is flat out tougher than me. And it is also so easy to end up how I did because guys that do that look normal…talk normal. I never saw it coming. He had always treated me good up till then….. I don’t know what changed him but he was going to kill me and I used the first rule of a fight that you taught me, “Fight for your Life!”
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR TEACHING ME. IT SAVED MY LIFE.
I have been a student of numerous martial systems over the years, to include one of the other styles of Wing Chun. I can say in all honesty that the Wing Chun taught to me by SiFu Carroll is more street effective than any other art that I have studied. The no nonsense, reality based self defense skills that I have learned have no doubt given me that ability to protect myself, and my family should the need arise. So, If you are searching for a traditional martial art without all of the B.S. then I recommend that you seek out SiFu Carroll.
I entered the martial arts arena in 1972 and the law enforcement profession in 1975. I have studied Shotokan Karate, Aikido, and Okinawan based Isshinryu. While working as a police officer I continued training in the martial arts, was on a SWAT team, and was a police instructor teaching police defense tactics, officer survival skills, basic firearms, survival firearms and physical training at the recruit and in-service levels. When I retired from Law Enforcement and moved to North Alabama, I discovered that there was no Japanese based training near where I lived. Searching for any legitimate martial arts schools in the area I discovered the Wing Chun Boxing Academy website which prompted me to research the Wing Chun Style and Instructor that taught it before observing a training session. I liked what I saw, and with the permission of SiFu Carroll, I visited his academy. It was my intention to initially observe a class but SiFu offered me the opportunity to participate which I eagerly accepted and I was hooked. I quickly learned that although my previous training was not wasted, there was much that was missing.
Wing Chun is a combat based martial art with simple moves that are designed to quickly disable an attacker with minimum effort with a maximum effect. Body size, gender, strength or age is not a factor in the success a student can achieve. If I could turn back the hands of time I would study Wing Chun exclusively because it is an extremely flexible art with law enforcement, military and civilian applications. I was especially impressed that SiFu Carroll is a dedicated instructor with and extremely broad and deep knowledge base, high integrity, and a warrior spirit.
If you are looking for a versatile, reality based, no-nonsense, street effective combat art that anyone can learn that is taught by a dedicated instructor then the Wing Chun Boxing Academy is where you need to be and SiFu Carroll is who you need to see.
I have been a correctional officer for the last 12 years. I served in the United States Marine Corps. I have boxed, kick boxed and trained in various martial arts since I was 8 years old. Last Year a friend of mine introduced me to SiFu Carroll, a teacher of Wing Chun Kung Fu. I had the distinct pleasure and honor to have been able to train with SiFu Carroll. Having been a fighter and martial artist most of my life and having a job where I need to use my training, I have a good understanding about what works and what doesn’t in a real life situation. Many of the techniques taught to me by SiFu Carroll were similar to techniques I had learned in the past. Yet I found them to be superior and sometimes far superior to the techniques I knew. The arts core principles make it superior to any other art I have ever trained in. the simultaneous attack and defense and the conservation of movement alone give you an edge in any fight. SiFu Carroll offers a non nonsense, no glamour approach to real life fighting.White Rose Wing Chun is quick, efficient, brutal, and ruthless. Anyone out there looking to learn undiluted Wing Chun skills should seek out White Rose Wing Chun!!! SiFu Carroll’s knowledge of his art has impressed me beyond measure and I would highly recommend him as an instructor to anyone that is interested in training for real life self defense.
Illinois Department of Corrections
With more than 20 years in martial arts and nearly that in law enforcement (local and federal), I have continually been in search of the system that will serve me best in my profession and in personal defense. Though I am still very new to the art, Sifu Carroll, has been incredibly effective in conveying the applicability of Wing Chun in personal defense and use-of-force situations. The basics of Wing Chun are intuitive and brutally effective. I would recommend looking into the art and Sifu Carroll to anyone in law enforcement/military who could find themselves in a close quarter combat situation.
Federal law enforcement officer
I am a former Marine that has studied Kick Boxing, Tang Soo Do, Capoiera, Hsing I, Ba Gua, Tai Chi and another branch of Wing Chun up to Bil Jee level.
In the 1st form alone SiFu Carroll has shown me many hidden techniques that I didn’t even know were there.In the few months that I’ve trained with SiFu Carroll he has elevated my fighting skill to another level. It’s not something that can be described in words. It’s something you have to see and feel to get the picture.
SiFu Carroll is the most talented skillful teacher I have ever had. I’ve been studying various styles of martial arts for as long as I can remember. I can’t remember a teacher that was as well rounded as SiFu Carroll. Some teachers were decent fighters but couldn’t teach. Others were good teachers but couldn’t practice what they were preaching. SiFu Carroll is the complete opposite of this. There has never been one thing that SiFu Carroll has taught me that he couldn’t do himself. One of the things that impresses me about SiFu Carroll, is even at his advance skill level he is still learning and very humble. This is what I feel is a very important virtue in a SiFu. He treats his students as family instead of just punching bags. Don’t get me wrong the art is definitely pounded down and my body is a testament to this. But at the same time SiFu treats us with the same care as his own children. I’ve never doubted SiFu Carroll’s abilities but his own SiFu (Doc Savage) gave him the greatest complement at our last Seminar. It was break time during the seminar and we were all sitting around relaxing for a few minutes. This is when SiGung Doc Savage said to us there were only two people in the room that had the whole art. He said himself and that man right there, as he pointed to SiFu Carroll. To me this would be the best recognition to get from your SiFu and this is also well deserved.
If you want to know how to defend yourself and your loved ones, you want to learn under SiFu Carroll.
Jay Baudean – Huntsville, AL.
December 26, 2013
To Whom It May Concern:
I was accepted as a student of Sifu Dustan Carrolll in 2011, and have since attended several of his Wing Chun classes and seminars over the years, the most recent of which was in October. Our school in Memphis, which is under Sifu Dustan Carroll, hosted the seminar, which was open to Wing Chun students and others interested in self-defense. One of the many positive qualities about Sifu Carroll that make him a sought after Wing Chun instructor is his passion for teaching—speaking myself as someone with a graduate degree and experience in teaching, I recognize there is a big difference between knowing something and teaching something. In Wing Chun, Sifu Carroll bridges this gulf between knowledge and understanding. I also know him to be a man of integrity—he does not teach something he does not believe in, does not accept unearned monies, and does not associate with those who misrepresent their Wing Chun qualifications and the art itself.
During the first part of the seminar, Sifu Carroll covered self-defense scenarios applicable to the Wing Chun skills of those present, which ranged from novice to several years’ experience. His methods are very hands-on, and like those who can teach (and not just do), he makes a point of explaining the science/physiology of correct Wing Chun applications and the results of. As in previous seminars, he allowed for students to ask questions in order to clarify and expand upon their understanding, and to correct any misconceptions they may have had. With a broad range of experiences represented in his students and attendees, Sifu Carroll adjusts his teaching as the situation demands, so that everyone present is constantly in a state of learning. As an educator myself, this is often referred to as the Zone of Proximal Development—it involves coaxing the student out of the comfortable zone of what they know and into the challenging zone of what they are capable of doing. Sifu Carroll lives here.
The second part of the seminar was devoted to small group/individualized instruction. I am currently learning second form Wing Chun. Three of my WC brothers and I worked closely with S. Carroll during this private tutoring session, where he was an open book to all our questions about second-form material. We reviewed and honed our Chum Kiu, and went over specific self-defense applications embodied in the form. This approach to the art is something that S. Carroll has impressed upon me and others—the multi-layered nature of the art…the multiple meanings of movements and structure that are hidden until they suddenly become obvious. In this respect he is a Sifu in the truest sense of the title.
Sifu Dustan Carroll is an asset to Wing Chun and its future. Under the guidance and tutelage of Sifu Carroll, I have seen our Memphis Wing Chun school grow from a handful of students to over two dozen. He drinks from the same well as Robert “Doc” Savage, Duncan Leung, Master Ip Man, and those that came before. If you want to learn authentic no holds barred Wing Chun, I recommend Sifu Dustan Carroll….If you want to train in pads and fight in a ring, go Google someplace else.
Prior to coming to my first class at White Rose Wing Chun, I have to honestly say I had never heard of the art before. I knew nothing about it, not only as an art, but with regards to self-defense. I had taken self-defense classes before, practiced some “get-away” moves, but when I was actually attacked, I initially froze. I didn’t remember a thing that I had learned about my self-defense courses. What kept running through my mind was “I can’t believe this is happening to me.” I then tried to fight. I clawed, I dug my fingers into him, I tried to get away, but my attacker overpowered me. My attacker was someone that I had known and worked with for over a year at the time of the attack. When I first came to class, I was told that this was a woman’s art. That it was made for a person who was smaller than the attacker. I was skeptical. I couldn’t see initially how this obscure-sounding art could actually help me where the other self-defense courses had utterly failed me. However, I decided to keep coming to class and see if it was worth my time. Techniques and moves were explained to me. They started to make sense. The realization came to me that what this art form had that others lacked was muscle memory. The art form made sense, but in order to apply it in real life, I would have to understand it so well as to create it into a learned muscle reflex. In addition, I have to mentally understand how the technique works in order to gain confidence in my skill. The more I learn, the more I see its value. Had I known at the time of the attack what I know now, the attack would have never been successful. When I was recently confronted with another possible altercation, this time by a woman, I was surprised by my lack of fear at the possibility of an attack. The value in this art is the peace and confidence that it gives you when facing life, allowing you to live in joy instead of fear.
While serving in the military for three years, I assumed I would find or be taught extensive detailed martial arts training. Unfortunately, I did not accomplish this goal and had to continue my search. Upon returning home after completing my years of service, I was briefly introduced in the Chinese Martial Art of Southern Praying Mantis. However, because of my job relocating I was forced to end training. Therefore, the search for a martial art which fit my personal needs would continue.
For thirteen years I have worked for the Illinois Department of Corrections. Twelve of those thirteen years I never considered how much of difference it meant to identify the best fighting style for every situation to which I may encounter until meeting Sifu Carroll, Ph.D., and learning his fighting system. Honestly, it’s amazing how the art of Wing Chun covers so many aspects of every different situations.
Initially, I was impatient and could not understand why my past involvement in various sports or physical talent could not increase my learning curve until I was introduce to this system. I understood immediately, size or strength and speed is not always a proper measurement to determine a specific outcome.
The work environment I encounter on a daily basis is full of individuals with the above attributes and this fighting system has given me the opportunity even at the beginning level to at least have the confidence to defend myself or help a fellow Correctional Officer who may require assistance as well.
During this journey I look forward to the challenge and opportunity it will provide me with not only as a student but as a human being as well.
Fifteen years later, thanks to Sifu Dustan Carroll, Ph.D., and his Wing Chun Boxing Academy, I have finally found the art which has provided me with not only patience and confidence but also the ability to progress with intent detail and purpose.
Illinois Department of Corrections
Dear SiFu Carroll,
I really enjoy your teachings. I have been in many classes of different styles in the past and the information taught by you has effortlessly surpassed the others in various ways. When I had left one of the other classes, I felt as if I were entertained, like leaving a live show or performance; when I left your class, I felt empowered.
You taught me how to trust myself in confrontations, how to trust the art of Wing Chun, and how to lose my ego. The odd thing about it is that I still feel that way now. SiFu Carroll, the gifts of knowledge that you passed to me during your classes are priceless. You have the skill and capability to show others what they need to grow in the art on a case by case basis and that is a trait that is extremely difficult to come by for most students when seeking out an educator.
When people ask me for a recommendation of which Martial Art and instructor to choose so that they may take care of themselves and protect their daughters, sons, and spouse; Wing Chun and your name rolls off my tongue with ease. Other martial systems take a long period of time of training and practice to become effect. Wing Chun takes much less time. One of my classmates defended himself in a real confrontation after only 3 classes!
Thank you for your time, teachings and the privilege of learning from you SiFu Carroll.
Nathan H. Walls III
I wanted to take the time to let you know that your ongoing lessons of Wing Chun have been invaluable. I also wanted to mention the incredible experience that I had at the October seminar. The lessons there were second to none! I knew that I was going to learn quite a bit, but I did not expect that I would learn so much! The style and the way you made it seem easy to learn made learning a breeze. The more I learn about this, the more I’m realizing that Wing Chun is a lot like Chess. It doesn’t take a long time to learn a certain drill, or or a form, but it takes a lifetime to master.
With you teaching, the learning is made much easier. Also I’m sure you have heard the old saying that “Attitude is Everything”. With your attitude, and those of your students, there is absolutely none of it with anyone. Everyone there is genuinely a nice person and is easy to approach. This means a great deal and would like to thank you for the seminar, but for also cultivating this type of mind-set. Thank you again for all of your hard work, and I will see you in class soon!
I really wanted to get back in to wing chun really bad after moving back home. So I go online and find a guy in _______…I go there and there is this couple that have been taking it for two years…I think they thought I was lieing or something about knowing a little bit of kung fu..but you must have taught me well because I beat there @##…Now I never thought I was way good at kung fu or anything…but they did not know how to fight at all. And maybe I am not that good and they are just really that bad.Their teacher asked me who I learned wing chun from…I told him your name…then added you learned from Duncan Leung lineage. All he had to say was that Duncan’s boys are tough and he knows who they are…what is dumb about the whole thing is that he said I hit too hard.
Thank you SiFu,
I have to say that what you teach really works. Even though I only trained with you for about 7 months what you taught me saved my life.
I was attacked outside of a mall in Pennsylvania and instinctively stopped my would be attacker. He wouldn’t let me in my car and tried to force me into the backseat. I didn’t have to think about what to do, my body was on auto-pilot and I hurt him bad enough that he was lying on the ground when I drove off.
When I got home, I was in shock and had a few drinks, as I told my son about what had happened. He wanted to know what I did and we went through it again. He then tried to show me some moves that he had learned but I was able to stop him without thinking. What is so crazy about it all is that my son serves in the Army and is a combat veteran and I am half his size. Thank you SiFu for training me to react instinctively, without it I would have been hurt really bad. By the way my son told me to do what you taught me because it is extremely effective even after I had a few to drink.
After searching for nearly 15 years for a real martial arts instructor. SiFu Carroll is much more than that. His skill far surpasses any other teacher I have ever encountered. What he teaches is simple, effective and devastating. I have spent years wasting time with multiple different styles and teachers trying to find an art and teacher that were as devastating and skilled as SiFu Carroll and Wing Chun.
Unfortunately, I spent years believe the mainstream martial arts school and hollywood that tell you that you must learn to grapple to have an effective art. I knew this wasn’t true about a real 100% combat art. This was proven by SiFu Carroll. The reason is he teaches a no rules, no holds bar style that works. I work in a hospital and have seen what happens in the real world to a person that tries to grapple in a non-sanctioned fight where your life is on the line. You get to lay in a bed while I feed you through a straw.
This is the real deal. SiFu Carroll teaches it in a way so that any person can learn how to effectively defend themselves. His knowledge of the art is truly overwhelming. If you wish to know true self defense and want to make sure you always go home to your family, I recommend you seeking out SiFu Carroll.
I can’t comment on the effectiveness of Wing Chun. I am not a police officer or ex military. I am a software engineer and have been in exactly one fight in my life (while in high school).
I can comment on the quality of instruction. During the past 30 years I have studied several styles of martial arts with many teachers. Sifu Carroll and the White Rose Wing Chun Boxing Academy are the best I have experienced.
- The classes are organized and disciplined; no wasted time, no wasted money.
- The classes emphasize contact. It’s not bare knuckle cage match fighting but, yeah, there is a chance you could get a cut lip. You’ll survive. And that’s the point. Sifu Carroll knows that to learn self defense you need to learn the feel of contact; both giving and receiving. What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger.
- Sifu Carroll is a natural teacher. He has a wealth of martial arts knowledge and teaches with respect, patience, and passion. He is articulate and does not bully or humiliate any student. He is able to assess the amount of guidance that each student requires.
- Sifu Carroll does not train you to be a martial artist. He trains you to be a martial arts instructor. Each senior student I trained with instructed me with the same patience and respect as their sifu. And that is probably the highest compliment I can give.
CH – Huntsville Alabama
Being from a boxing background, I am greatly impressed with your skill and teaching abilities. I know for sure that I walk away from every lesson with a lot of wisdom, knowledge and understanding of Wing Chun, Martial Arts and how to protect myself better if needed be. I highly recommend that anyone with a hunger and interest in learning a martial skill that will help protect themselves or loved ones to seek you out as soon as they can. Thank you so much for such an awesome class environment and lessons.
Say all you want about which style is the best, or that it’s the fighter, not the style that matters. I’ve experienced most of them. Karate, judo, bjj, kickboxing, they’re all the same. They all require power; brute force that will destroy your body by the time you acquire it.
Now, subtlety precision, finesse, these preserve and improve the body, not to mention the mind-body connection. But don’t take my word for it. Sifu Doc Savage, SiFu Carroll’s instructor said it himself. “There are only two people in this room that have the whole art – and Dustan is one of them.” I’m inclined to believe the man since I still cannot figure out how he busted my lip with a left hook when I was staring right at him.
After twenty two years as a US Paratrooper, and combat vet, I thought I had pretty much seen and done most everything. Learning to fight, survive and kill if needed. I have been in the Martial Arts off and on since I was 12 and pretty much thought I could take care of myself. That was of course till I met my SiFu Dustan Carroll. We are both Army Veterans and know what it takes to survive when it comes down to it.
As a paratrooper I wish that I had more Wing Chun under my belt. As a civilian in today’s world I am glad I do. This is an Art that has no rules, has no ring but, at the end of the day if you ever have to use it you know that you can do what ever it takes. What ever it takes to get home safe and be with your family.
SiFu Carroll is a no holds barred instructor, one who deals with reality, not a staged ring environment. You will be in a realistic setting and learn not to be afraid to hit or get hit. Size makes no difference, the smallest person can take down the largest person, just a matter of knowing how. Wing Chun is not about fighting clean and fair, it is about if you have to fight, fight and walk away safe.
U.S. Army Retired
I attended 2 different schools in the Kansas City area and quickly realized that there were significant variations in how each person taught, what they considered important, and how each boasted of knowing the most, teaching the best, or how their lineage made their knowledge more complete than other instructors. After having approximately 1 year of instruction I moved to Houston and found SiFu Carroll teaching Wing Chun. We quickly went through what I had learned and we talked about the differences in how he taught the first form and what would be gleaned from performing various drills.
Despite our conversation(s) the philosophy that actions speak and teach louder than words were evident. He spoke only the truth and said if you have any doubts then test yourself and test the art. After just a few classes I was doing drills and “movements” that had been considered extremely advanced and only for “upper level” students at the previous school I had attended. I had a much more complete understanding of how each part of the first form was applied in real situations and the drills SiFu taught were effective and provided a complete “package” of Wing Chun instruction. The fundamental aspects that had originally turned me onto learning Wing Chun were there again, fueled by SiFu Carroll and his desire to further learn and teach the art.
After studying with SiFu Carroll for a little less than a year I had progressed (probably) 10 times farther than I had during the previous year. SiFu Carroll’s common sense, honest, and practical approach to teaching Wing Chun and how it is applied in different situations is what learning Wing Chun is all about. Not only does his teaching instill ability; it instills confidence-both of which are needed for self defense when the time comes where you have to use it. Unfortunately, many Sifus are more interested in padding their pocket than teaching the truth of the art to other people. However, SiFu Carroll and his ability to teach Wing Chun are the real deal. It’s not about money and it’s not about teaching you how to be a martial arts competitor where rules govern your abilities. It is 100% purely effective self defense that can only be understood by being a student. The skills he teaches can be applied in any situation that presents itself in a real life situation.
If you want to learn something to keep yourself and your family safe in today’s hostile society and you’re anywhere near SiFu Carroll I would HIGHLY recommend learning Wing Chun from him. Anything less and you’re cheating yourself, your family, and you’re most likely wasting your money.
Kansas City, Kansas
I’m an Army combat veteran that studied freestyle wrestling and ju-jitsu. I thought I knew enough to handle myself in any situation I could encounter; enough that even if I didn’t win a fight, the winner would be right next to me in a hospital bed. That changed in one session with SiFu Carroll. What he teaches isn’t in-ring, rules fighting. This is no-holds-barred, in the fight for your life type stuff. You learn to hit and take a hit. There is no fair fight and Wing Chun shows how to win decisively.
If you want to learn how to defend yourself and your family, I highly recommend studying under SiFu Carroll. He’s an excellent teacher and knows how to push each of his students so they learn more. He is a committed and disciplined warrior and I am honored to learn from him.
I have given it a few days to write because I was so blown away by your class.Thank you so much for the excellent class. In one session, you have allowed me to really see what works and what I have been searching for. I finally found something that is practical but effective. I realize I need to be able to apply it, but your knowledge, your passion, and the way you show us how things relate in a practical sense is amazing. Wing Chun is an art that will allow me to defend myself for real, not just in a controlled classroom. Thank you for showing me the truth about how much I have been wasting my time with other styles. Your teaching method is amazing and I am honored to be able to learn what you know. I thank you for giving me some of your time to learn an art that will allow me to defend myself with something that works, as well as all the life lessons you provide in your teaching.
I grew up watching Bruce Lee and many other martial artists’ movies; after which, I wanted to learn and teach martial arts.
My path began in 1985, in Worms, Germany, taking up traditional Jujitsu at the local YMCA on the military base. My father received his retirement orders, and we moved prior to my testing for my black belt.
I have studied several martial arts systems since then; Taekwondo (TKD), Tai Chi, Tiger kung fu, The Art of Self Preservation (T.A.S.P.), Ving Tsun, Hapkido, Capoeira, Kali and Silat. I moved every 2 – 3 years due to my military lifestyle; it was difficult to find the same art I had taken previously.
While studying Kali, I passed by a Wing Chun school; a martial art I have always wanted to learn since I discovered that Bruce Lee used it as the basis of his fighting system, Jeet Kune Do (JKD).
After I recovered from my surgery, I started training at the Wing Chun school. I fell in love with Wing Chun instantly. I have always wanted to become a martial arts instructor, and right then, I knew what art I wanted to teach. I ceased my Kali classes. The instructor moved away and I discovered SiFu Dustan Carroll in Huntsville, AL. I went to one class with SiFu Carroll and found my true father of Wing Chun.
SiFu Carroll has taught me that Wing Chun works in any fight situation. What he teaches is as concentrated and true-to-form as he received. I have felt that great power can come from a very short distance with his very hands. What he teaches will help you to protect yourself, your loved ones and others who are unable to protect themselves. SiFu Carroll’s positive presence can be felt at a distance. He has an innate ability to teach each student what they need to strengthen their weaknesses. I highly recommend people to come and attend a class. If you are skeptical, please bring your “I believe” button, because you will press it. I travel about 3 hours from Memphis, TN, to Huntsville twice a month to take his class. Thank you for sharing the true art of Wing Chun with me, SiFu Dustan Carroll.
Nathan Walls, III
I am a former military operator with over 20 plus years which has included that much time with hand to hand combat. With everything I have done, I feel confident about being able to handle myself.
I had the opportunity to meet Sifu Carroll at a Wing Chun seminar over a weekend. After the seminar, I was asked one question by my friend. (My friend knows my background and how I would take on anyone, and I mean anyone.) My friend asked me if I would fight Sifu Carroll in my prime condition. I didn’t even have to think about my answer for his question. I simply said “no.” After attending the seminar I came away with a lot of respect for Wing Chun and the instructor. Sifu Carroll knows his art and how to apply it.
NY state of mind
Simple direct and to the point is how Sifu Dustan Carroll is, from the very first call I knew I was finally going to get somewhere with Wing Chun, and it’s a beautiful thing. After having four years of JKD under my belt, I knew something was missing from my fighting art. It was time to go back to where I started at and it was Wing Chun. At that time I didn’t get it ,I’m not pointing the finger at anyone for not getting, however I would like to say the way SiFu Carroll put the pieces together the picture is clear and that’s all that matters to me .
Earlier in my life I was always interested in martial arts, yet my parents would not let me train in any of them. Around the age of eighteen I got very interested in MMA after watching some pride fights on TV. I trained at home picking up some Brazilian Jiu Jitsu thinking I was learning how to handle myself when a friend of mine showed me Sifu Carroll’s website. I read the description on the website and instantly began looking it up on the internet. I liked what I saw and went in to Sifu Carroll’s school where I was blown away. What I learned far surpassed anything that was posted on the internet. In the first 2 weeks I had emptied my cup of every fighting notion I had before Wing Chun and began to fully believe in the only fighting style worth learning.
Over the next three months I saw and learned many amazing things. The one that stuck out the most was one Saturday morning a man came in to train with us. He was in great shape and explained to us that he was well versed in an Israeli martial art made for combat situations. He further explained that he was licensed to teach it and was beginning a class at a martial arts school in town. The man said he would return to train but never did. The happenings of that day further proved to me that Wing Chun is the best martial art out there.
Sifu Dustan Carroll is the most generous and knowledgeable teacher I have ever met. He will show you the way of the no nonsense, complete self defense art that is Wing Chun.
Note to readers from SiFu Carroll: I have changed this reference because it was upsetting to the instructor. In the spirit of Peace I have removed all things that ID the individual who was upset. This student and several others are willing to discuss it and what their perspectives on it are, I however am not. If this is upsetting to anyone so be it. I believe that the student’s perspective is what readers are looking for in this section. All of my references are from the students perspective except my SiFu’s at the bottom of this page. My CREDIBILITY is based on My SKILL not what others think or feel about me.
I am just a simple student of Sifu Carroll. Unlike others I have no real prior martial arts training. I came to Sifu Carroll because I was looking for authenticity and true knowledge, and this I have found. Sifu has a depth of mastery which is clearly evident. He understands the art at its deepest levels, and can lead the student to discoveries without spoon feeding, so the student achieves a level of understanding that makes learning rapid and deep. They say one should look for a good teacher rather than a superior system, but at The Wing Chun Boxing Academy, there is both.
My journey into martial arts began with a self-defense class. I figured it would be an easy college credit and I might actually learn something. Then I decided I wanted to learn more. I began taking classes at the dojo of the self-defense teacher. In both classes we were taught basic kickboxing techniques and jiujitsu “ground fighting.” Once I had a chance to test my newly obtained knowledge, I realized what I was learning was worthless. I fell victim not only to false training but my own ego. I sought to learn something effective, something real. I found SiFu Carroll’s website and researched as much as I could about Wing Chun Kung Fu, Ip Man, and Duncan Leung. I contacted SiFu Carroll to request to observe the class. I was skeptical of the effectiveness of Wing Chun at first, but my first experience in the class changed everything. The teachings just made sense to me. With each lesson I realize more and more just how effective and important the art of Wing Chun is. SiFu Carroll knows how to apply and teach Wing Chun. I realized even more how lucky i was to be a student of SiFu Carroll when my Kung Fu brother Robert O. asked SiGung Doc Savage at the March 2011 Seminar (at our school) who knew the entire art of Wing Chun and he replied with “There are only two people in this room that have the whole art – and Dustan is one of them.” I am so thankful to be learning from one of the few people out there that know the real and complete art of Wing Chun.
In my youth my fighting skills were limited do to how I was raised. As time went on I kicked, scratched, bit, and what not. I knew there was a better way to defend myself. I looked around and one day in 1993, I walked into Il Wong Kim’s Tae Kwon Do Academy. Mr. Kim was a 9th degree black belt from Korea. I spent my last year in Waukegan with him and never found anyone in Tae Kwon Do in San Diego I thought that would further my needs. At the special boat unit I met a couple guys that studied Wing Chun and I found it to be most effective and a more direct art, but was unable to train because of operational commitments. After retirement from the service I ran across George D. He was the son of one of my former Sunday School teachers. I slowly got to know him heard that he was studying Wing Chun. We talked. I told him I was needing a art that was effective and easier on my body do to some minor disabilities, he showed me the Wing Chun he was studying and it wasn’t the same as what I witnessed in the boat unit but it was interesting. Later he took me to where he trained but it just wasn’t what I wanted. Then one day George called me all stoked. He had found SiFu Carroll and the background from who SiFu Carroll had learned from. It was what George had been looking for after leaving North Carolina. I met SiFu Carroll and listened to him and watched what he had to offer which was just like the guys from the special boat unit that I was assigned to in the Navy. SiFu is straight forward, no bullshit person from what I have seen and what I ‘ve trained. He was and has always been a cordial person. I am very aware of his abilities and his strong family orientation. I would recommend him to others for training.
Although I am an older student, I am well acquainted with the martial arts. I was quite athletic in my youth and studied Judo, Boxing, Wrestling and Hapkido Karate under Grandmaster Bong Soo Han of “Billy Jack” movie fame. My friends at the time were training in Shotokan and Chinese Kempo Karate—our sparring sessions were spirited. I have experienced good and bad Wing Chun. THIS IS THE BEST WING CHUN I HAVE EVER WITNESSED.
Sifu Carroll is truly a master of Wing Chun. His depth of knowledge is unprecedented. He is an excellent and dedicated teacher who will inspire you to reach beyond the ordinary to the extraordinary. His Wing Chun is direct, efficient, no holds barred scientific street fighting with techniques which leave nothing to chance.
If you are looking for an intelligent, scientific, complete martial art, and want the best teaching, then Sifu Carroll and his school is where you need to be.
THIS IS THE REAL DEAL!
I am a student of philosophy. Throughout my adult life, I have explored and attended many workshops in Martial Arts: Karate, Tai Chi, Kung Fu. These workshops were beneficial but ultimately the skills and confidence in my fighting prowess did not increase significantly due to the time afforded. This is not true of Wing Chun as taught by Sifu Carroll. The effectiveness of the Wing Chun Philosophy and the techniques will induce a real confidence in one’s ability as a warrior almost immediately. Sifu Carroll is a true Wing Chun practitioner. He teaches Wing Chun in an environment which effectively increases one’s ability in self-defense in a minimal amount of time. He consistently trains the mind and body simultaneously. Moreover Sifu Carroll’s street-wise techniques and philosophy will not impede with age. As a student over the age of fifty years, I am confident that the lessons will serve me for many years to come.
(Baba) Wolde Selassie
I learned about Wing Chun while looking at various martial art schools in Huntsville after becoming interested in MMA. MMA wasn’t nearly as interesting after just one class with SiFu Carroll. Within a few weeks I was learning how to fight armed attackers, how to fight multiple attackers, and more. One time in class SiFu Carroll had three of us attack him while he was on his back on the ground and he easily ended the threat within seconds. All of this was great because I had a three month trip to South Africa(the murder capitol of the world) coming up and my training meant that I didn’t have to worry and I could focus on what I needed to. If you want to learn how to defend yourself from whatever might happen, SiFu Carroll is the one to learn from. Nothing else compares.
My Experiences with SiFu Carroll
After Meeting at U.N.A. we discussed that we both had the same sifu in Jeet Kune Do (Sifu Wildman) just at different times. As he was advancing in J.K.D. he asked if I would practice and study with him. At the time I eagerly agreed not knowing the adventure I was then entering upon. I soon found him to be competent and well educated and a very good Sifu of the art of JKD. My regrets only came when we were working on the five point star drill or when he would close his eyes and have me attack. During both of those I knew it was going to hurt like skydiving without a parachute.
Later SiFu Carroll was teaching a martial arts class in the athletics dept. at U.N.A., and challengers from a plethora of styles came out of the woodwork to challenge SiFu Carroll. The lucky ones limped away. There was however a grappler (BJJ) who ran his mouth a lot. As usual SiFu would say, “That’s nice, show me.” Finally after weeks of endless chatter about the perfection of his art (The BJJ guy), SiFu agreed to a “light spar”. This one I had to see even though I knew the outcome. Several of us met in an upper unused hall of our student center. SiFu then said, “Put me however you like. As a matter of fact put me where you have the greatest advantage.” He had SiFu lay on the ground and proceeded to wrap SiFu Carroll up like a Christmas present with his arms and legs. At that point from under the mass tangle I heard SiFu say in a monotone voice, “Are you ready?” The BJJ guy said “Now!” Not even a millisecond later I heard a little girl scream and yell, “Get off me B****!!” It took a second to realize it was the grappler who was moving away at light speed and that it was his voice that I heard three octaves higher than normal. For some reason I never saw him again.
After moving to Texas and After SiFu Carroll had discovered the deadly art of Wing Chun Kung Fu he was holding class in the weight room at the apartment complex we both lived in. Just like before, along came another nay-sayer. Only this time it was a 6’3” 325lb. Prison guard, named Bobby, who was working with fifty-pound dumbbells as if they were soda cans. He looked on with mild interest and the look in his eye said I want to try this little man and embarrass him in front of his students. SiFu had placed me with another student to work on technique when Bobby asked to try his hand. As Bobby stood head and shoulders taller than SiFu and he kept saying, “That won’t work in a real fight like prison.” So SiFu finally said, “ Try me.” Bobby wadded up his fist and swung as fast and hard as he could at SiFu. Bobby’s arm was gigantic and it cut threw the air with an audible noise. At this point everyone had stopped and was watching. All at once there was a sound like a steak hitting the counter and another sound like a green branch snapping. It was a sickening smack and crack. With everyone watching, hearts racing, and breaths held we saw Bobby hastily sit down, turn green and start to fight the urge to empty his stomach. For a while I really thought we were going to have to call 911. SiFu on the other hand was urging us to get back to training. We all trained harder that night because we had witnessed the true effects of Wing Chun under SiFu Carroll.
I trained with SiFu off and on as my finances would allow. He is a person to seek out if you want to learn how to defend yourself and your loved ones.
Student from 1998 and 2003
I started my martial arts journey in 1990 with Memphis Taekwondo University. I dropped out after 3 years, got married, and started working in the music business. I moved to Florida 1995 and re-started Taekwondo with Park’s Taekwondo Federation in Pompano Beach, where I received my 1st DAN in 1999. While teaching Taekwondo and preparing for my 2nd DAN test, I started taking JKD to learn hand techniques. It wasn’t long before I stopped all martial arts and went back into the music business. It was there that I realized that most fights are close quarters, and my Taekwondo kicks were not very effective in a crowd. So I started looking for a complete system that could make me a more effective fighter, that way I would never have to doubt myself in any situation. I was referred to Sifu Carroll in Alabama, so I decided to go and see for myself. After one class with Sifu Carroll, I knew I had to learn this system. I had never enjoyed so much pain and joy at the same time!
I have been a student of martial arts over 20 years. I have studied Tae Kwon Do, Boxing, Kick Boxing, Ninjitsu, Eagle Claw Kung Fu, Tai Chi Chuan and Dim Mok. I have worked as a bouncer and in other jobs that required me to use my martial arts skills to protect.
SiFu Carroll is the best instructor I have ever met or learned from. He teaches the most effective art I have ever seen. Wing Chun Boxing is like smoke; formless, shapeless, you can see it but cannot touch or harm the person using it.I was skeptical at first but I am true beliver now.
The Wing Chun he teaches is not like the Wing Chun that is so commercialized or mixed up with other arts such as Kali. Wing Chun is a complete art when it is taught correctly.
SiFu teaches his students discipline of mind and body. I hurt my shoulder and my right arm in an altercation. SiFu showed me how to fight without using my hands. He explained that in the middle of my difficulties lies opportunity. SiFu Carroll is a true teacher.
If you want a great martial arts teacher that is not a jack of all trades but a true master, SiFu Carroll is the only one you want to learn from.
Prior to beginning my study of Wing Chun, I studied two other martial arts: Shotokan Karate and Haganah.
At the end of the first year of training in Shotokan, we were welcoming new students and my instructor said, “You won’t learn enough in the first year to fight anybody.” That was when I began to ask myself, “Why am I here?”
SiFu Carroll told me something entirely different. He told me, “By the time you get to the first form test, you will know you can fight.” I can honestly say that I am better prepared to fight than I ever have been before.
Wing Chun is different in other ways too. In Karate we were always talking about the dojo. A dojo is a place. Our teacher was called Sensei, which means “teacher”. When you study Wing Chun, you join a family.
SiFu literally means “Father”. There’s nothing spectacular about the place we practice, but SiFu is spectacular. He’s just like a real father: gruff when he needs to be, patient when he needs to be, with a thorough grasp of what we need to learn, and a desire to see us grow into the art.
SiFu Carroll is a great instructor. He teaches real skills-in a way applicable to your learning style. I was practicing Taekwondo and seeking other martial arts for several years prior to being introduced to Wing Chun by SiFu Carroll where my search ended. Needless to say I am enlightened to the efficiency and practicality he has presented. He teaches…the real way, the right way and I am grateful for his patience and sharing of the ART.
Over the last seventeen plus years I have studied three major contrasting styles; Ishinryu (a karate style based on simplicity), western boxing, and an aikido-based Japanese jujitsu. It wasn’t until I started training under SiFu Carroll in Wing Chun that I truly started to learn how to defend myself in actual combat. The only thing I had learned before was how to ring fight. SiFu Carroll teaches a Wing Chun style that is very quick and aggressive, so much so that the attacker is completely off balance and defeated within seconds. SiFu Carroll’s teaching method is unparalleled. You won’t regret learning under him.
I met SiFu Carroll while training in MMA in Huntsville. He quickly opened my eyes to the misrepresentations inside the MMA teachings. SiFu Carroll teaches his students to use common sense and not to just follow blindly. MMA is a sport not a self-defense art… that was evident when SiFu Carroll explained the effects of rules and sport mentality/training versus street “Fight for your life!” mentality and training. He is the real deal. If you want to learn how to effectively defend yourself and your loved ones see him.
Huntsville Police Officer
“You are real and that is what makes everything you teach so valuable. You have made it possible for me to go out without fear. It means so much to me. Thank you !”
“SiFu Carroll is the person to learn from if you want to learn how to handle yourself. What he teaches is what everyone is looking for but can’t seem to find.Wing Chun is the art you want to learn and SiFu Carroll is the one you want to teach you.”
Huntsville Police Officer
I have known SiFu Dustan Carroll for five years. I have studied under him for the past three. I met him at the High School where we both taught. I was a middle-aged, mild mannered history teacher who dreaded conflict of any kind.
As a veteran teacher with a master’s degree in education, I am qualified to judge SiFu Carroll’s teaching ability. I was impressed by his creativity and classroom management as a teacher of high school students. When I began to train under him, I saw he used the same skills teaching Wing Chun that he did in the classroom, and with equal success.
At 48, I am still teaching, but no longer mild mannered. I no longer feel compelled to back down in a touchy situation. I have the confidence to look potential trouble in the eye, knowing I have the skills to meet any attack, physical or other.
I have not undergone rigorous strength training, I’m still middle-aged and out of shape. But I have learned the techniques and tactics I need to know I can take care of myself and my family.
My Sincerest Thanks and Respect to SiFu Dustan Carroll,
Dustan Carroll has been my SiFu for three years.
I studied Tae Kwon Do when I was younger and had to defend myself several times but I wanted to learn a more effective martial art. When I began to train with Dustan Carroll, I knew I had found what I was looking for. Wing Chun is the real thing. It is not a martial arts “belt mill,” but a true fighting art that focuses on winning fights, not looking good. Since I began to train Wing Chun I am much more confident and in control. I know I can take care of myself in a fight and send the other guy home on a board if that is what I have to do.
Dustan Carroll is a great SiFu. He teaches the art as it was designed to be used, and I want to thank him for teaching me what I now know.
I wanted to say that you must be one hell of a teacher. One of your students handed me my a## the other day. Keep in mind that I am over six foot tall and weigh over 250 lbs. I have challenged other martial artists in town and can break cinder blocks with my fist. I met your students at the Koffee Klotch here in town. The girl keep talking about Wing Chun and how effective it was but I told her that nothing was that effective. She dared me to attack her. Now she is maybe 100 lbs and just a little over 5 feet tall. When she said she would kick my a_ _ and do it slow, I decided to teach her a little lesson. She didn’t give me time to scream before she hit me 6 or 7 times as I was falling to the ground. I have never seen or felt anything so painful before in my life. I just wanted to contact you and tell you that as soon as I can get my finances together I want to train with you.
I just wanted to take a moment and say that through the training I have been receiving my life has changed. As someone who experienced other arts at a young age and never really found anything that applied to my entire life not just a specific scenario. I greatly appreciate the gift that is being given to me through Sifu Carroll. Not only does he teach us the art in the physical but in our every movements and thoughts. I want to express my gratitude for him and those that paved the way prior, for this knowledge to become open to me.
“Time in the Art”
Dustan, Thanks for all the praise, although I feel undeserving of it. I have trained long and intense hours of studying, searching and testing over the last twenty-eight years to reach this level of understanding and with all due respect, there is a lot more to learn.
There have been hundreds of students pass through my doors, but you are one of the best. Thanks for your support and dedication to the ART of WING CHUN.
Your friend, Doc
(click on picture to enlarge certificate of mastery 2006)
**SiFu Carroll is no longer associated with SiFu Savage since 2011. All though no longer associated, these statements stand for themselves.